Saturday, December 26, 2009

Christmas Wish Deemed Inapropriate

Originally Posted as 3108. Chutzpah/bbr/3097
by bcorky, 12/26/09 11:06 ET

I had to work until 4:30 Xmas eve (fiscal year end) and had company coming for dinner that night so I was too busy to answer this before Christmas but it still deserves a response.

PERHAPS if there were more bbr's in the world keeping tabs on elected officials at all levels we wouldn't keep finding and getting the cavalier 'let them eat cake' attitude we find much too frequently in politicians.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if people had been paying attention, all the shenanigans at the county level would not have taken years and the feds to unravel. I see in the PD that shyster Norton who won the mayor's race in East Cleveland is already lining his pockets and their budget problems are legendary.

My Christmas wish is for THOUSANDS of bbr's who care enough to hold our elected officials' feet to the fire and I thank God daily for our free press because if we lose that we're screwed.

These responses were logged, then CK responded to SolonPol with a reference to Drugs and Comas and then the whole post was removed.

   1. Perhaps by solonjoe3, 12/26/09 New!
   2. agree-squeaky wheel gets... by solonrider3, 12/26/09 New!
    Sorry SR3, your post wasn't still in my cache, so I missed capturing it.
   3. You are all wrong... by SolonPol, 12/26/09 New!

Originally Posted as 3108.1. Perhaps
by solonjoe3, 12/26/09 11:48 ET

As I've said before, I applaud anybody who steps up and speaks in public. We need more of that. But on this forum, endless personal attacks, while often humorous, are in the end tiresome.

Council and Mayor need the input from citizens to keep them on their toes. But I've also noticed they can make bad decisions to appease a squeaky wheel.

A famous example is our sink hole guy. The city spent taxpayers' dollars to investigate a private matter that they knew was nonsense. That is a public gift to a private person.

In the case of Bainbridge road, the real harm was committed by the county, not the city. Yet the city will use city dollars to appease the residents. This is also known as welfare for the middle class or robbing peter to pay paul. Now I don't mind robbing "Rob" to pay everyone, but subsidizing private citizens with city money is not something to celebrate.

The squeaky wheel accomplishes this. Talking loudly and often at meetings sure does this. But quality, logic and fairness in speech is just as important as "showing up" with a confrontational personality.


Originally Posted as 3108.3. You are all wrong...
by SolonPol, 12/26/09 17:08 ET

Nothing is as it seems, its all a grand illusion controlled by da machine, a matrix in which we feel we have control when we actually are manipulated.

bcorcky - there are a thousand bbr's, of the thousand, many hundreds are never heard from, of the hundred that are heard from, its only for a moment and then the true power mongers (on this forum those are the trolls - Joe3, BSer, CK) are drowned them out with useless noise. Only a few, by shouting at the top of their lungs, by getting livid with the Troll Power Structure here and IRL, are actually heard long enough that a few people notice. And the few people who do notice don't even hear 25% of what they say. BBR has been censored even on Christmas Day, that's because da machine, da trolls, da censors, never sleep, they know no holiday.

Joe3 - King of the Trolls, Village Idiot, part of da machine, the Solon Gulluci to his Russo master. You have ALMOST everyone fooled. You are da machine. Da Gullucci. The drowner out of the squeaky wheel. The Paulson Propagandist. And the purveyor of many lies and half truths, just as in this post...

FACT - No one in Solon gets $14M, its not even $14M anymore, it was downsized last week. No one in Solon gets to touch it, not for a moment, yet all covet and answer to the Illusionary God of Free Money.

FACT - To this day, there is a cover up of the MOT 2 way decision, many people have asked, many people have lied and obfuscated to prevent the truth from being known. The result is that over 1 million dollars will be expended for the cheapest grade of concrete to handle the MOT in an unprecedented manner (full width construction) involving over a quarter million sq ft of pavement, 5000 cu yds, over 500 full truck loads, to be used for less than a year and put in a land fill. Only when this project is over, and the court depositions are dry, and the naturestone driveways are awarded to the power mongers behind this gift to the pavement company will it be clear. Common citizens duped again, with the help of the Gullucci led trolls shutting people up and lying to protect the guilty.

FACT - The city is in fact responsible, it has been stipulated to in County Court by County Officials willing to throw City Officials under the Bus when it comes to money. Joe, don't speak of what you don't know, it makes you sound more ignorant than I assume you are.

FACT - He who has the money rules, developers have money, they have overbuilt on swap land in Solon causing many water problems. The city allowed them to do that. They share culpability, they know that, and try not to admit it in public too often. Do you suppose its the sink hole guys fault? Those in the know, know better, and so do you Joe, but you've chosen to lie about it.

SR3 - Yes the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but before it does, it generates lots of friction using lots of energy and causes great personal toll. Alas the squeaky wheel gets the grease too late and is heard from no more. There is more hope with Susan in, but still there is much power of status quo for even her, with all her energy to deal with.

So lets all have free beer at the Annex, maybe the trolls that run, shout down, drown out, stifle, and censor, this forum (lead by Joe), will drink one too many and fall from their high stool, so the common citizen can once more be heard from.

Woof  Woof

Monday, December 7, 2009

Reasonable People

Originally Posted as 3036. Who are these by SolonPol, 12/7/09 14:01 ET

Who are these reasonable people of good will.

There are none on this forum, thanks to Joe/Bob and his merry band of trolls. You've polarized this forum into the Bob's and non-Bobs.

You (the greater you of Bobs) have done it and then you try to deflect blame on the non-Bobs. Typical Bob, victim of a witch hunt, every problem is caused by his opponents.

Dirty Drucker, what a sick joke, she couldn't come near Bob's dirtiness if she made it her lifetime goal.

How have you done it? Propaganda, shouting down, post flooding, lies, name calling, on and on. Almost an impressive attack if it weren't so demented.

No one can post anything without a Bobist retort, even if it isn't remotely connected to Bob.

And now this holier than thou approach from the Stander of By... "You broke no rules". Well if you really didn't then the rules need to be changed so that one man BOB can't hijack an entire town.

Oh and give credit to Joe/Bob for that technique, he dreamed it up first. And if I didn't swallow that turd from the master of deception, I certainly won't take it from the likes of you.

But as karma would have it, we have the last laugh, Bob can rule this cesspool, because he'll never rule this town.

He had his chance, when he found deep pockets, and he blew it. He'll never get that backing again and without it he'll never have a chance at office.

Join me in a big round of Boo Hoo Bob, Hip Hip Hooray for Susan.

Friday, December 4, 2009

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  • If you see a term underlined, but it isn't a link, hover over it and you will see a help bubble describing it.

Status: This new post 12/04/09 will be left here for a month and then moved to the beginning of the blog in 2009.

Deer Culling

Posted as 2988. Most would agree  by walley, 12/2/09 7:46 ET

Most would agree that the deer population in some areas needs to be reduced. A lot of us are simply outraged at the method that is being used. Considering the amount of money Solon has already spent, we could have tried a more humane method. Birth control was suggested but poo pood by all the "experts" as too expensive and ineffective. So, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on White Buffalo and then paying even more to have the carcasses processed into ground meat, are we any better off?

We're still paying someone to come every year and kill more deer. The deer people told council that culling was not a permanent solution, White Buffalo told council the same thing and now, 5 years later someone finally realizes that something is wrong with the plan. I hate to bring this up but, WE TOLD YOU SO!

Morality issues aside, Solon taxpayers are picking up the entire tab on culling deer from not only Solon, but those of neighboring communities. The state, who gets the money for all those hunting licenses and gave us the deer problem in the first place, has gotten off scot free.

So let's take what we've learned, that its going to be expensive no matter what, and just resolve to use a more humane method to achieve our goal.

Originally Posted as 2988.2. You can
by SolonPol, 12/3/09 5:05 ET
Re: Most would agree  by walley, 12/2/09

Censored on 12/03, reposted 12/04
You can credit Patton for "protecting the citizens from themselves" by pushing through deer culling over the wishes of the ignorant citizenry.

I wonder if we can take Patton's arrogant quotes to our auto insurance company and ask for a rebate.

You can credit Kraus (yes Kraus) for making a motion to table the Deer Culling issue at the last Safety Council meeting on Nov 11. The affect of that, and its stated clearly in the video ONLY, was to give the new admin (and not an arrogant deer killing) admin the power to make the decision. Don't bother with the minutes, watch the video at 41 min.

Posted as 2888.3 Solon Times reported by SolonPol, 12/4/09
by Sue Reid  An excerpt:

"A proposal from White Buffalo Inc. was before the committee for a three-year contract with the possibility of a two-year extension in the amount of about $90,000 a year.

White Buffalo was the only bid received for the program. The company has performed the deer-management service in the city for the last five years.

The current contract for services with White Buffalo, of Connecticut, to operate the city's deer-management program has expired with the 2009 program. The final contract amount for the three years was $235,651.

The safety committee meets again Dec. 9 and council meets Dec. 21."

See the above link for the entire article.

Desperately seeking Susan

Originally Posted as 2990.1. Some interesting points
by SolonPol, 12/3/09 4:37 ET
Re: Desperately Seeking Susan by solonjoe3, 12/2/09
Censored on 12/03, Reposted as 2990.1. You'll never find her here on 12/04 -- Recensored on 12/xx

Some interesting points but she'll never know of them from your postings here, no matter how often you repeat yourself, no matter how many times you answer yourself with rogue IDs, no matter how many CAPS you use, no matter how clever.

She's Mayor now and can't be bothered with the blather that is common fair here. She's above that.

As you've said many times, this forum is for entertainment, and its rather demented at that. There is no room on the mayoral calendar labeled "demented entertainment".

If you are too chicken to address her at council, fine, write her a letter.

You can't keep screaming into this dismal digital abyss and wondering why there is no answer back, if you persist in this futile activity, you, like the boy who cried wolf, will soon become irrelevant and ignored.

What ever do you think the reason to censor that was?  I didn't say chicken shit as I thought.  Was it because it was too close to home for Joe?   Was it because it was anti Bob on a Bobist forum?

My guess is you report something as objectionable and it gets deleted.  No thought or analysis, that would take too long.  It could have been that my post provoked flames which I missed and so they decided to take the provoker down too, regardless of its validity. Better to just steer clear of it.

In the beginning I couldn't understand how Susan could simply ignore this forum when so much was written about her.  But I quickly learned its like being all dressed up and at the edge of a pig pen, it won't be long before you fall into the pig slop and are a filthy mess, and no matter what you do you there's no way to walk away without being a mess.

I really do wish I had never stepped past the pen, at some point I'll leave that cess pool, take a long hot bath and never return to that stench.

It is a very sick place, populated by very sick people, in serious need of mental health intervention.  And the scariest part --  they vote.

Thursday, December 3, 2009

Cast of Characters

There are so many "Characters" on the Solon Forum that you need a crib sheet to keep track of them.  First there are the groups:
  • Bobists - Rabid pro Bob Paulson for Mayor fans who can alternately be heard crying over his 3rd or 4th (lost track) election loss, whining about "boss da machine, da machine" (ala tattoo and "Boss, the plane").  After the election Bob has faded away (thankfully), but his same supporters have the same criticisms of his opponent and an excessive fear of "da machine".
  • Non-Bobists - the sane ones, who don't post often, are immediately attacked and shouted down, and then go away for a while
  • Trolls - those that take the opposing view to anything and everything in a sadistic game to raise people's blood pressure like BSer/CK/CSK
  • MBoT- Merry Band of Trolls
  • Alt IDs - What better way to talk to yourself than with an alternate ID.
  • Nick IDs - Who wants to say Bystander75 when BSer is so much shorter and more descriptive.  Some of the infamous (SolonJoe[n])
Then there are the characters:
  • SolonJoe3 - or 4 or 5, he's the gift that keeps on giving, no matter how many times they take away his ID.  The infamous Joe.
  • Bystander75 - a misnomer and troll ID, he does anything but stand by, he sticks his nose in everything, hails from the droopy drawer capital of CH, and is famous for extremely anal retentive fine points, calling people a liar, and endlessly asking people to do things for him (a manipulation technique).  Nicknamed - BSer.
  • ChutzpahKid -  a misnomer and troll ID, he has anything but Chutzpah, ChickenShit Kid would be a more apt name.  Claims to have once lived in Solon, most likely just another of BSer's many alt IDs.  Nicknamed - CK, CSK, IRL worked for Patton at SCA and gave SR3 lots of trouble.
  • SolonRider3 - Woman battling City Hall just to build a ramp for her handicapped husband, is roundly criticized and mocked by people fortunate enough to never need a wheel chair. (SR3)
  • Solonite31yr - Author of Joke of the Day, one of the few bright spots on the whole forum worth reading not spoiled by the Bobists and Trolls.
  • Bobists - SolonMoreCynical, notdrucker 
  • --- your ID here?  comment below...
There are also the off site or invisible characters:
  • Bob - Everyone knows Bob Paulson is an avid reader of the community forum, but no one knows his ID.  Many think he's SolonJoe, but many other IDs are mentioned as linked to him as well.  By some accounts it is felt that Bob may account for 50% of the posts.
  • JoeBob - Owner of where all of Joe's pro Bob, anti-world, whining takes place but which he claims to not know the owner despite it containing all his content and looking like Bob, even hosted by Bob's official campaign site ISP, sans required political notice of course.
  • Joe/Bob - Joe's rabid attack on Susan in her first two days of office could have only come from Bob himself, no one else is that petty, that vindictive, that much of an ego manic.
  • Peter - Daddy Deep Pockets

Updates in bold blue

Hey where's FTA Joe?

Posted as 3001. Hey where's FTA Joe?
by SolonPol, 12/2/09 22:52 ET

Joe, Fire Them All, who said that, oh yeah, YOU !!! So what's the beef, one a day isn't quick enough for you?

I know if she hadn't let anyone go the first week you'd all be whining about that.
See that's what I don't like about Bobism, its always critical, its never satisfied. Its a disease in need of a cure.

As for letting people go there is a spectrum, no one, NO ONE, is totally protected, maybe SolonWatcher has become aware of that fact.

On one end is AT-WILL, what most of us fall under in the private sector, in the middle is fired for cause, what most people mistaken feel is the norm, on the other end is employment contract, somewhat protected, but it can be breached, and then there is civil service, what most people mistakenly feel everyone in the public sector falls under.

The public sector uses several classes of employees, civil service, professional, contract, and appointment.

And contrary to popular belief there IS NO ABSOLUTE protection.

The Mayor is the chief executive. When new CEO's take the helm there is often a reevaluation of priorities and staffing. SD completed an HR certificate from Cornell this summer. I think its safe to say that she's taken this boss thing seriously and is making very informed decisions.
She got prepared ahead of time, on her own time. She is doing her job, DAY 1.
If the most qualified person is known by someone connected to the CEO, should that disqualify them? Given her husband's career, that would disqualify all but the most novice and mediocre. Not a good idea.

As for SolonWatcher, if they really do work for the city, they had best lose the attitude. What I've seen of it seems incompatible with the new admin.

Joe, stop, STOP, you're sounding foolish. Here you are on the first day, FTA FTA !!! Then SD surprises you and actually lets someone go. Whoa Whoa you cry, lets get a citizen committee, how can she do this the first day!

Well Joe, in the month since the election, SD's been busy, to hit the ground running. I'm sure she's given thought to her agenda way before she took office. Let's all congratulate her on not needing help to find the lady's room and not waiting for her official start to get started. She's already done Mayor's work for free.

She didn't say, as Bob did to me, wait until I get elected. Bob was waiting for his first paycheck before he got to work. Looks like we picked the right person. 

Hip Hip Hooray...

They're baaaaack

Posted as 3004. They're baaaack by SolonPol, 12/3/09 20:02 ET

The censors are back enforcing community standards. No serious discussions allowed, no describing bugs on this forum, no mentioning other IDs, no banter between IDs (SP & SJ). 

Trolls endless provocative drivel is OK, because the censors can't tell that its trolling since they know nothing of the community, so its a free day for BS75/CK/CSK.

SJ's tired tirades and meaningless repetitious rants are OK, because they fit in the formula above. Mentioning that they are in fact tired tirades is a no no.
So enjoy this cess pool, I'll just be sure to write on my sites first and post a short lived item here now and again.
Program control has been returned to your regularly scheduled programming already in progress of SolonJoe3's tired tirades. 

Enjoy, this forum is returned to the DOGS, as the only non dog takes a walk, sans troll.

Solon Forum Bugs

This post will be updated from time to time with bugs found in the operation of the community forum pages.

Post owner reported as Responder

When you respond to a post topic there is a line with your post title & ID and a line with the topic title and the topic posters ID.  The new upgrade a few months back broke this so the current responders ID & date is used rather than the topic originator's ID & date.

New Topic when responding

There are two ways that you can get a new post rather than responding to an existing post.

If you are logged off, for inactivity, or even being active (bug below), while attempting to respond, you will be prompted to login, after you login you'll be given a response form, when you fill this out, you won't be responding to the post you intended to, you will be starting a new topic.

Always go back to the post you were viewing after a login.

The other way, as far as I can tell, is that occasionally random responses just become new topics. Great feature, kind of like bloggers "feeling lucky" button.

Login Linked to Com Home Page
There are two places to login and occasionally you are logged out of a specific community page (timeout for inactivity) but still logged into the Community Home page.

Timeout while still active
Sometimes while still active you and still showing you are logged in you will be presented a login prompt.  Because of the various login/out bugs, I'd suggest logging out first, then logging back in.