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Status: This new post 12/04/09 will be left here for a month and then moved to the beginning of the blog in 2009.

Deer Culling

Posted as 2988. Most would agree  by walley, 12/2/09 7:46 ET

Most would agree that the deer population in some areas needs to be reduced. A lot of us are simply outraged at the method that is being used. Considering the amount of money Solon has already spent, we could have tried a more humane method. Birth control was suggested but poo pood by all the "experts" as too expensive and ineffective. So, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on White Buffalo and then paying even more to have the carcasses processed into ground meat, are we any better off?

We're still paying someone to come every year and kill more deer. The deer people told council that culling was not a permanent solution, White Buffalo told council the same thing and now, 5 years later someone finally realizes that something is wrong with the plan. I hate to bring this up but, WE TOLD YOU SO!

Morality issues aside, Solon taxpayers are picking up the entire tab on culling deer from not only Solon, but those of neighboring communities. The state, who gets the money for all those hunting licenses and gave us the deer problem in the first place, has gotten off scot free.

So let's take what we've learned, that its going to be expensive no matter what, and just resolve to use a more humane method to achieve our goal.

Originally Posted as 2988.2. You can

by SolonPol, 12/3/09 5:05 ET
Re: Most would agree  by walley, 12/2/09

Censored on 12/03, reposted 12/04

You can credit Patton for "protecting the citizens from themselves" by pushing through deer culling over the wishes of the ignorant citizenry.

I wonder if we can take Patton's arrogant quotes to our auto insurance company and ask for a rebate.

You can credit Kraus (yes Kraus) for making a motion to table the Deer Culling issue at the last Safety Council meeting on Nov 11. The affect of that, and its stated clearly in the video ONLY, was to give the new admin (and not an arrogant deer killing) admin the power to make the decision. Don't bother with the minutes, watch the video at 41 min.

Posted as 2888.3 Solon Times reported by SolonPol, 12/4/09

http://chagrinvalleytimes.com/NC/0/1434.html
by Sue Reid  An excerpt:

"A proposal from White Buffalo Inc. was before the committee for a three-year contract with the possibility of a two-year extension in the amount of about $90,000 a year.

White Buffalo was the only bid received for the program. The company has performed the deer-management service in the city for the last five years.

The current contract for services with White Buffalo, of Connecticut, to operate the city's deer-management program has expired with the 2009 program. The final contract amount for the three years was $235,651.

The safety committee meets again Dec. 9 and council meets Dec. 21."

See the above link for the entire article.

Desperately seeking Susan

Originally Posted as 2990.1. Some interesting points

by SolonPol, 12/3/09 4:37 ET
Re: Desperately Seeking Susan by solonjoe3, 12/2/09
 

Censored on 12/03, Reposted as 2990.1. You'll never find her here on 12/04 -- Recensored on 12/xx

Some interesting points but she'll never know of them from your postings here, no matter how often you repeat yourself, no matter how many times you answer yourself with rogue IDs, no matter how many CAPS you use, no matter how clever.

She's Mayor now and can't be bothered with the blather that is common fair here. She's above that.

As you've said many times, this forum is for entertainment, and its rather demented at that. There is no room on the mayoral calendar labeled "demented entertainment".

If you are too chicken to address her at council, fine, write her a letter.

You can't keep screaming into this dismal digital abyss and wondering why there is no answer back, if you persist in this futile activity, you, like the boy who cried wolf, will soon become irrelevant and ignored.

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What ever do you think the reason to censor that was?  I didn't say chicken shit as I thought.  Was it because it was too close to home for Joe?   Was it because it was anti Bob on a Bobist forum?

My guess is you report something as objectionable and it gets deleted.  No thought or analysis, that would take too long.  It could have been that my post provoked flames which I missed and so they decided to take the provoker down too, regardless of its validity. Better to just steer clear of it.

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In the beginning I couldn't understand how Susan could simply ignore this forum when so much was written about her.  But I quickly learned its like being all dressed up and at the edge of a pig pen, it won't be long before you fall into the pig slop and are a filthy mess, and no matter what you do you there's no way to walk away without being a mess.

I really do wish I had never stepped past the pen, at some point I'll leave that cess pool, take a long hot bath and never return to that stench.

It is a very sick place, populated by very sick people, in serious need of mental health intervention.  And the scariest part --  they vote.

Cast of Characters

There are so many "Characters" on the Solon Forum that you need a crib sheet to keep track of them.  First there are the groups:

• Bobists - Rabid pro Bob Paulson for Mayor fans who can alternately be heard crying over his 3rd or 4th (lost track) election loss, whining about "boss da machine, da machine" (ala tattoo and "Boss, the plane").  After the election Bob has faded away (thankfully), but his same supporters have the same criticisms of his opponent and an excessive fear of "da machine".
• Non-Bobists - the sane ones, who don't post often, are immediately attacked and shouted down, and then go away for a while
  
• Trolls - those that take the opposing view to anything and everything in a sadistic game to raise people's blood pressure like BSer/CK/CSK
• MBoT- Merry Band of Trolls
• Alt IDs - What better way to talk to yourself than with an alternate ID.
  
• Nick IDs - Who wants to say Bystander75 when BSer is so much shorter and more descriptive.  Some of the infamous (SolonJoe[n])
  

Then there are the characters:

• SolonJoe3 - or 4 or 5, he's the gift that keeps on giving, no matter how many times they take away his ID.  The infamous Joe.
  
• Bystander75 - a misnomer and troll ID, he does anything but stand by, he sticks his nose in everything, hails from the droopy drawer capital of CH, and is famous for extremely anal retentive fine points, calling people a liar, and endlessly asking people to do things for him (a manipulation technique).  Nicknamed - BSer.
  
• ChutzpahKid -  a misnomer and troll ID, he has anything but Chutzpah, ChickenShit Kid would be a more apt name.  Claims to have once lived in Solon, most likely just another of BSer's many alt IDs.  Nicknamed - CK, CSK, IRL worked for Patton at SCA and gave SR3 lots of trouble.
• SolonRider3 - Woman battling City Hall just to build a ramp for her handicapped husband, is roundly criticized and mocked by people fortunate enough to never need a wheel chair. (SR3)
• Solonite31yr - Author of Joke of the Day, one of the few bright spots on the whole forum worth reading not spoiled by the Bobists and Trolls.
• Bobists - SolonMoreCynical, notdrucker 
• --- your ID here?  comment below...
  

There are also the off site or invisible characters:

• Bob - Everyone knows Bob Paulson is an avid reader of the community forum, but no one knows his ID.  Many think he's SolonJoe, but many other IDs are mentioned as linked to him as well.  By some accounts it is felt that Bob may account for 50% of the posts.
  
• JoeBob - Owner of SolonJoe.com where all of Joe's pro Bob, anti-world, whining takes place but which he claims to not know the owner despite it containing all his content and looking like Bob, even hosted by Bob's official campaign site ISP, sans required political notice of course.
• Joe/Bob - Joe's rabid attack on Susan in her first two days of office could have only come from Bob himself, no one else is that petty, that vindictive, that much of an ego manic.
  
• Peter - Daddy Deep Pockets

Updates in bold blue

Hey where's FTA Joe?

Posted as 3001. Hey where's FTA Joe?

by SolonPol, 12/2/09 22:52 ET

Joe, Fire Them All, who said that, oh yeah, YOU !!! So what's the beef, one a day isn't quick enough for you?

I know if she hadn't let anyone go the first week you'd all be whining about that.
See that's what I don't like about Bobism, its always critical, its never satisfied. Its a disease in need of a cure.

As for letting people go there is a spectrum, no one, NO ONE, is totally protected, maybe SolonWatcher has become aware of that fact.

On one end is AT-WILL, what most of us fall under in the private sector, in the middle is fired for cause, what most people mistaken feel is the norm, on the other end is employment contract, somewhat protected, but it can be breached, and then there is civil service, what most people mistakenly feel everyone in the public sector falls under.

The public sector uses several classes of employees, civil service, professional, contract, and appointment.

And contrary to popular belief there IS NO ABSOLUTE protection.

The Mayor is the chief executive. When new CEO's take the helm there is often a reevaluation of priorities and staffing. SD completed an HR certificate from Cornell this summer. I think its safe to say that she's taken this boss thing seriously and is making very informed decisions.
She got prepared ahead of time, on her own time. She is doing her job, DAY 1.
If the most qualified person is known by someone connected to the CEO, should that disqualify them? Given her husband's career, that would disqualify all but the most novice and mediocre. Not a good idea.

As for SolonWatcher, if they really do work for the city, they had best lose the attitude. What I've seen of it seems incompatible with the new admin.

Joe, stop, STOP, you're sounding foolish. Here you are on the first day, FTA FTA !!! Then SD surprises you and actually lets someone go. Whoa Whoa you cry, lets get a citizen committee, how can she do this the first day!

Well Joe, in the month since the election, SD's been busy, to hit the ground running. I'm sure she's given thought to her agenda way before she took office. Let's all congratulate her on not needing help to find the lady's room and not waiting for her official start to get started. She's already done Mayor's work for free.

She didn't say, as Bob did to me, wait until I get elected. Bob was waiting for his first paycheck before he got to work. Looks like we picked the right person. 

Hip Hip Hooray...

They're baaaaack

Posted as 3004. They're baaaack by SolonPol, 12/3/09 20:02 ET


The censors are back enforcing community standards. No serious discussions allowed, no describing bugs on this forum, no mentioning other IDs, no banter between IDs (SP & SJ). 

Trolls endless provocative drivel is OK, because the censors can't tell that its trolling since they know nothing of the community, so its a free day for BS75/CK/CSK.

 
SJ's tired tirades and meaningless repetitious rants are OK, because they fit in the formula above. Mentioning that they are in fact tired tirades is a no no.
 
So enjoy this cess pool, I'll just be sure to write on my sites first and post a short lived item here now and again.
 
http://solonpol.blogspot.com/
http://sites.google.com/site/solonpol/home
 
Program control has been returned to your regularly scheduled programming already in progress of SolonJoe3's tired tirades. 

Enjoy, this forum is returned to the DOGS, as the only non dog takes a walk, sans troll.
 

Solon Forum Bugs

This post will be updated from time to time with bugs found in the operation of the cleveland.com community forum pages.


Post owner reported as Responder

When you respond to a post topic there is a line with your post title & ID and a line with the topic title and the topic posters ID.  The new upgrade a few months back broke this so the current responders ID & date is used rather than the topic originator's ID & date.

New Topic when responding

There are two ways that you can get a new post rather than responding to an existing post.

If you are logged off, for inactivity, or even being active (bug below), while attempting to respond, you will be prompted to login, after you login you'll be given a response form, when you fill this out, you won't be responding to the post you intended to, you will be starting a new topic.


Always go back to the post you were viewing after a login.

The other way, as far as I can tell, is that occasionally random responses just become new topics. Great feature, kind of like bloggers "feeling lucky" button.

Login Linked to Com Home Page

There are two places to login and occasionally you are logged out of a specific community page (timeout for inactivity) but still logged into the Community Home page.

Timeout while still active

Sometimes while still active you and still showing you are logged in you will be presented a login prompt.  Because of the various login/out bugs, I'd suggest logging out first, then logging back in.

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